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Re: Paper negatives (Re: Tricolor gum, order of layers)

I'm just learning about alt photo printing and have actually never
tried a print. I do have years of experience screen-printing and for a
time was getting my (positives) made at a print shop printed onto
vellum. No need for oiling. Pretty cheap also. I now print using an
inkjet onto clear plastic. An 18x13" sheet costs about $1.00 + ink.
The clear transparencies cut my exposure time in almost half compared
to vellum giving me better detail.


On 5-Oct-08, at 1:10 PM, Laura Valentino wrote:

I like the idea of un-oiled paper and I don't mind longer exposures;
I have plenty to do while waiting. But would success depend on the
type of paper? Loris uses a "translucent inkjet bond"...what other
types of paper have people used? The Epson "photo quality/
presentation matte" looks pretty opaque. I have the Epson 1270


Judy Seigel wrote:
Hi Loris, yours arrived as I was sending mine off. I see we
pretty much agree... (What was that about great minds running in
the same.....??)
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Loris Medici wrote:
Beeswax is better I think -> because it stays on paper
indefinitely w/o
drying and not requiring the messy oiling step when you need to
use the
negative again later. But applying beeswax is harder and messy
There was an article about (and tests on) oiling paper negatives
in Post
Factory Photography (which issue I don't remember right now)...
BTW, a
neat and effective method of applying beeswax to negatives (in
batches) is
described in Alan Greene's "Primitive Photography" book.

I'm happy with un-oiled paper negatives. I don't care about oiling
it's too messy for my liking and my exposure times are reasonable
minutes with 10% ammonium dichromate) with un-oiled negatives.
Having to
sandwich the negative between mylar sheets (to protect the paper
and the
contact printing frame's glass) is tiresome enough even w/o
mentioning "le
problematique" of storing messy oily negatives. Yuk... ;)


5 Ekim 2008, Pazar, 7:54 pm tarihinde, Jack yazmış:
I sent in a while ago info from (as I remember) LeGray on the use
bees wax.
Would that not do the trick?
Though the ones I make have more recently been on bond copying
paper and
created with a 600 dpi laser printer, by working with an old
iron, and
paraffin like Guido says. I use a piece of old matte board that's
and soaks
up the extra paraffin.

On Oct 5, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Keith Gerling wrote:

Hi Guido,

Could you provide a source for that "white technical oil"? I've
searched in vain with google. I use plenty of baby oil and, to
the mess detailed by Katherine, squirt a little on the negative
then re-use oily paper towels to rub it in. Honestly, the cloying
smell of that baby oil has permeated my work area to the point of
distraction. I'm hoping the white oil might be more "neutral".


On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Guido Ceuppens <altguido@gmail.com
Hi Laura,
Just rub the reverse side of the negative with a suitable oil.
After trying
different oils I settled on "white technical oil", it is as
as water
and has the same (no)
color. I believe it is the same (paraffin) oil sold in smaller
sewing-machines, in greater quantities (1 litre) it is very
I usually
rub it generously in and let it sit overnight when all the oil
seems to be
completely absorbed by the paper and for gum I don't even use the
thin milar
separator sheet (between neg and coating to avoid oil stains)
anymore. After
a few days the oil may evaporate more and the paper becomes less
transparent, just oil again if you want to reuse the negative.
Another method is to use blocks of paraffin on the, heated,
side of
the negative. Use an iron to heat the paper in parts and apply
ending with rubbing the molten paraffin with a paper towel to
up excess paraffin. Takes a bit of practice but once cooled down
the paper
remains translucent and is not oily.

2008/10/5 Laura Valentino <laura@this.is>
Since I just recently paid about $150 to have 40 sheets of 11x17
OHP film
shipped to me, I gotta try the paper negative. I have a box of
this formerly
named photo quality inkjet paper. How do I oil it?

Thanks, Laura

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