Re: lumenprints not chromo?
Gregg, here it is:
http://christinaanderson.visualserver.com/Text_page.cfm?pID=2448
and I left you a message there :) Apparently I had removed the image already 
and didn't remember.
What I find with lumenprints is when the students first do them, they assume 
that the process moves faster than it does and then end up fixing it way 
before it is exposed enough.  That first try, there will be students whose 
prints "disappear".  Then they put the next print outside in the morning and 
leave it (incredulously to them) all day, go to school, come home, eat 
dinner, watch TV, take a bath, and that's when it is successful.
How this time amount translates to pinhole is the big question. No matter 
what you do, the fix changes the colors. But if exposed long enough, the 
image doesn't disappear.  But to equate an all day exposure outside full sun 
to get the same color that stays for a pinhole exposure, that is the 
question.  How does one compute an equivalent exposure to a 6 hr no focal 
length to a 90 day huge focal length??? And then add to that using warmtone 
paper which gives the wonderful pinks and terracottas, and that is even 
slower....although Ilford warmtone is pretty fast.
One of my students did a 2 week indoors exposure which was faint yellow 
only....after fixing.
This really is the incredible benefit to teaching is having 18 "testees" at 
one time on a process.  This week was Blurb book critique and I have 15 
blurb books awaiting me with all KINDS of problems (and successes!) to learn 
from!
Chris
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregg Kemp" <gregg.kemp@gmail.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: lumenprints not chromo?
My attempts at using fixer with similar multi-day pinhole exposures 
resulted in the image pretty much disappearing off the paper.  I used 
Arista fixer at normal strength and diluted as much as 1:20, but  always 
lost most of the image.  Perhaps a different fixer would work  better?
I also had problems scanning at first, but that may just be my scanner 
(an Epson 3200). I found that if I scanned a 5x7 negative at more than 
600 dpi, the scanner would pause during the scan.  And the scan would 
show a slight darkening after the pause.  So I now scan at 600 dpi.   But 
perhaps a scanner with more memory or more memory on my computer  would 
not do this.  My suggestion is to scan a plain piece of paper at  the 
resolution you plan to use before scanning the actual negative,  just to 
be safe. I also put a piece of black felt behind the negative  before 
scanning, in hopes of keeping down the amount of light bouncing  around - 
just superstition perhaps.
Chris - I looked for the student work on your website that you  mentioned, 
but didn't find it.  Would you please post the URL?
Gregg
On May 6, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Christina Z. Anderson wrote:
Scott,
I always fix mine.  There is a noticeable loss of density and color 
shift in the fix.  I also know that Jerry Burchfield who does all  those 
Amazon exposures brings all images back in a black plastic bag  to the 
States and fixes at one time. Unless he has changed his  process in the 
last couple years, all of his previous lumenprints  were fixed and I have 
never heard of not fixing before...however,  the idea to scan before 
fixing is a great one and then you get a two- for-the-price-of-one 
special.
My prints do not fade once fixed and archivally washed and treated  as if 
a normal BW print. You can see student examples on my website,  and see 
how brilliant they are--with fixing.
Re:  scanning.  I would find it shocking that a 90 day pinhole  exposure 
lumenprint (chromo is a different process entirely because  it uses 
darkroom chemistry, developer, activator, stabilizer) that  will never 
touch the developer but go straight into the fix, would  be affected by a 
one minute scan.
You will also notice a distinct color shift when dry prints are 
rewetted. But then it reverts again when dry.
Chris
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Weber, Scott B" 
<sweber@mail.barry.edu
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To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:06 PM
Just completed a 90 day pinhole exposure on gelatin silver paper. 
Chromoscedasic print. The image looks good, but do I fix this?  Maybe 
some thiosulfate? Or should I leave it?  My plan is to scan  it but will 
the light in the scanner affect the image?
Scott B. Weber
Associate Professor of Photography
Department of Fine Arts
Barry University
Miami Shores, Florida
305 899 4922
sweber@mail.barry.edu