stefan@2s-image.de
Date: 12/18/00-11:46:28 AM Z
Hi Burkhardt & Sandy
Yes absolutly right, talking about the limitations of this process.
I myself would prefer carbon transfer as well but had allways
problems with visible air bells in the final print and partly
unsatisfying adhesion of the final image to the transfer paper
(only fixed out baryta paper worked well but I prefer fine
artist papers which allways have more or less textured surfaces).
A process like Gelabrom which avoids transfer, would be very
appealing to me as I am only interested in fine paper bases and
permanence rather than a linear grey scale.
So Burkhardts suggestion to use hand coated artist papers for
producing the basic bromide sounds great.
But my question is, is it possible to coat an artist paper absolutely
perfectly and smooth?
I tried it only a few times and (other than with pt/pd, where perfectly
smooth coating is very easy) got allways results showing a pattern
in the final print caused by the brush or by the more or less heavy
coating on the paper due to the raw surface.
Are there any tricks & techniques to apply a perfect coating of an
emulsion (rather than plain liquids) to a raw artist paper?
Any ideas?
Thanks & Regards
Stefan
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandy King <sanking@hubcap.clemson.edu>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: Gelabrom
Hi Stefan,
Yes, I tried gelabrom several years ago at a time when I was working
a lot with carbro. I found it just as finicky as carbro, which is to
say "very finicky" without the transfer possibility.
More recently I hane been printing almost exclusively with carbon
transfer which I find to be much more consistent and dependable.
Best,
Sandy
>Dear Sandy
>
>Did you (or anybody else) try this process?
>
>I did it years ago, following the brief description of Luis' carbon
>book. As I remember, problem was the photographic paper.
>I tried some ordinary baryta paper and a bromoil printing one.
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanks & Regards
>Stefan
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Sandy King <sanking@hubcap.clemson.edu>
>To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
>Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 1:54 AM
>Subject: Re: Gelabrom
>
>
>Gelabrom is essentially a variation of carbro. It is somewhat easier to
>work in that one of the most critical procedures of carbro, that of
>squeeging together the bromide with sensitized carbon tissue, is obviated
>bt the fact that the tissue is made in situ on the bromide. A disadvantage
>compared to carbro is that you are limited to the surface of the bromide
>printer, i.e. no transfer to another surface is possible.
>
>As in carbro the gelabrom the tonal scale is like the curve (S curve) of a
>silver print, the bromide printer used to make the pigment print. This
>makes it very different from a carbon print which has a very long straight
>line curve.
>
>Sandy King
>
>
>
>
>
> >Dear Burkhardt
> >
> >Yes I did.
> >
> >Basically it's very simple:
> >Coate pigmented gelatin on a properly developed and
> >fixed out bromide.
> >Apply a chromated bath very close to that used with carbro
> >which hardens the pigmented top coat and bleaches the silver
> >image below.
> >Than wash of unhardened gelatin and fixe out the bleached
> >out silver image.
> >
> >Problem is to find suitable bromides and inks, apply a good
> >and equal coating, and provide propperly temperated
> >processing conditions.
> >
> >Morre details can be found at Luis' 'Modern Carbon Printing'.
> >
> >Cheers
> >Stefan
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> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Burkhardt Kiegeland <bkiegeland@weisserlotus.co.at>
> >To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> >Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 8:58 PM
> >Subject: Gelabrom
> >
> >
> >In »Spirits of Salt«, published by Argentum in 1999, I find
> >short reference to a process called Gelabrom, a variation an
> >Carbro not needing transfer as well as carbon tissue.
> >
> >Is someone out there with some experience in this process?
> >
> >Thank you very much in andvance
> >
> >
> >Burkhardt kiegeland
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