From: Judy Seigel (jseigel@panix.com)
Date: 06/22/01-11:34:11 PM Z
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Nick Makris wrote:
> I really didn't want to make a flame out of this but I recall that you had
> significant reservations about revealing your identity to the list. That in
> itself is controversial and instills doubt about the writer - Lord knows
Nick told me offlist he wasn't thinking of me here, but I confess, such
has been the ongoing demonization, that I saw his question pointing my
way. I also wondered, why was "Callie" the only one to object to the stuff
on the B&S web board? As she said just now, where were all these sensitive
souls when I was (apparently) being badmouthed. And look at the grilling
she got when she did object. (Speaking of loyal troops, whoever doesn't
want a raking over the coals will probably NOT speak thus again.)
As for sarcasm, let me quote a t-shirt I saw in the Metropolitan Museum
yesterday (went for the Blake show -- which was SUBLIME & only 2 more
days, get there if you possibly can).
"Sarcasm is just one more free service we offer."
Which is to say, don't apologize -- it's clear, effective speech.
Meanwhile, WELCOME CALLIE, WELCOME PAM, WELCOME SHANNON, WELCOME
KATHARINE.
It was much lonelier in 1997. I don't mean that all or even any of these
women will agree with me now, but that in 1997 the voice of an
authoritative ("uppity") woman was ipso facto beyond the pale -- at least
on this list, which was essentially all male, all the time. There was also
the fact that I didn't (summer of '98) let Dick Sullivan take
subscriptions for the brand new Post-Factory on his web site as he urged,
coaxed and insisted (mostly offlist) I must do for weeks. Unable to annex
me, he thereupon set out to ruin me, via a series of great ruckuses...
about which more later.
It seems to be well known that Terry King ran a web site which did nothing
for weeks, maybe months, but rant about evil Seigel. One fellow said he
hated me too, but the poor schnook apparently didn't hate me the RIGHT
WAY, because he got trounced. (Friends who found it all more amusing than
I did forwarded this highminded discourse. When it got to death threats,
others were alarmed and also forwarded.)
My hunch is that even if folks didn't actually believe I hacked into the
computer of anyone who disagreed with me and threatened them (some days I
can hardly hack into my own computer), or that I had ways to manipulate
the list and intimidate Gord, & managed to fake all that (incredible!!!
wild!!! nutsoid!!!) libel about me in the archive, I was clearly a baddie.
>From what Callie says now, ultimately more than a few folks applied
reason, common sense, evidence, and logic -- and bought into it.
So I surmise (chilling thought tho it is), that like any kind of (nazi,
commie, fill in the blank) ongoing propaganda the litany affected people's
minds... And/or the idea of bad Judy was just too much fun, & finally
became reflexive. So I point out (futilely perhaps, but don't say no one
ever told you) my sin is that from time to time I have defended myself.
The rest is courtesy of the boys in the band.
And here is a perfect example. This ruckus has gone on all day entirely
without my participation -- as have years of defamation -- while I'm
accused (by Sullivan & apparently Callie's offlist correspondents) of
making trouble. (Hey, maybe *I'M* the one who doesn't exist !!)
Meanwhile, I am deeply indebted to Callie/Deb for what I had been unaware
of -- that this was ALSO going on on Sullivan's board. It actually solves
a problem for me (as I'll explain later), but for now, let me assure
everyone, including the loyal, perhaps too loyal, Sullivan troops (so
loyal he doesn't get a reality check) :
1. If I have anything to say, I don't need a fake name to say it. In fact
whatever my faults and sins, subterfuge and lying aren't two of them. I'm
quite willing and able to speak directly, which I daresay is the root of
the trouble, and as I shall do more of shortly.
2. I have an overly busy and demanding life, partly my circumstances,
partly my nature. If I were going to hack into computers or hang out on a
web board under an assumed name, well, that's not me, but if it WERE,
they wouldn't be the ones at issue.
3. While it's true, Dick has been gunning for me AGAIN this month, I felt,
perhaps mistakenly, that I dealt adequately with the items as they arose
-- though I fully understand Callie's reponse to the fulsome
congratulations.
4. But isn't it a shame that Dick's moment of glory is to some extent
compromised by another ruckus? (He & host in England can have more Hate-
Seigel days. But isn't it time they all got a life ?)
PS: I know for SURE two other people on this list who write under assumed
names. Not obviously fake like Callie Type, but real SOUNDING, which makes
them actually more devious, wouldn't you say?
More to follow,
Judy
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