Re: I'm back! Hi to all + Silane?
Another possibility for a sub for glass is clear gesso, that was
recently discussed on APUG (you can find the thread under Alternative
Processes) as a substitute for gum arabic in gum printing. I'm
somewhat puzzled about that use for it, but it strikes me that it
should make a good sub for gum on hard slick surfaces, as it is
transparent but contains some gritty substance. I've never seen
clear gesso, and Daniel Smith doesn't make a clear gesso, but I've
got it on my list to look for next time I visit an art supply store,
Katharine
On Jun 17, 2008, at 7:02 AM, Loris Medici wrote:
Oh, OK. Thanks Katharine. I would be very interested in the
instructions... I like the hardness but fragility of glass and have
very
nice projects (installations) on mind.
Regards,
Loris.
16 Haziran 2008, Pazartesi, 5:48 pm tarihinde, Katharine Thayer
yazmış:
I'm thinking William Winkler, but that could be wrong.
On Jun 16, 2008, at 7:35 AM, Katharine Thayer wrote:
Umm, it wasn't my list correspondence with Martin Mueller that I
was talking about. Martin's name I would remember, at any rate
Martin has never printed gum on glass as far as I know, and the guy
I'm talking about, I corresponded with privately, not on this
list. I don't remember his ever posting on this list; I found him
on the Bostick and Sullivan list, and the main part of our
correspondence occurred not on that list but privately. He sent
me (and would probably send you) the specific instructions that
work for him for gum, and I tried it and achieved partial
success, but I was already late getting the work done for that
particular show that I had wanted to print on glass, and didn't
have any more time to experiment, so I abandoned the glass printing
project for then and did that series a different way. But he's
the one to talk to about this. As I said, the guys at Bostick and
Sullivan would know who he is and how to get in touch with him.
If I was talking about something that could be found in the list
archives, I would have said so.
kt
On Jun 16, 2008, at 12:37 AM, Loris Medici wrote:
Hi Katharine,
I found your correspondence with Martin Mueller here:
http://www.usask.ca/lists/alt-photo-process/2005/mar05/0088.htm
I will do few things different:
First, the sources I could find about glass silanization (mostly
medical,
about preparing glass or mica dishes for culture growing ect.,
looking for
better adhesion of organic molecules onto the glass) say one should
*rinse* the glass after a *timed* dip into the solution. Second, I
will
put a hardened gelatin *subbing* layer between cyanotype/gum layer
and
silanized glass. I saw no evidence that you did these in your
description
(probably because Martin hadn't mentioned).
I feel more positive about cyanotype, I have doubts about gum
(since even
silanized and primed with gelatin, the glass will have very little
tooth -
it any - for gum). We'll see if I ever manage to try this in a
couple of
weeks.
Regards,
Loris.
15 Haziran 2008, Pazar, 11:49 pm tarihinde, Katharine Thayer
yazmı�:
Hi Loris,
Welcome back!
I've tried silane and not had good luck with it, but there's a
guy.... unfortunately I can't remember his name. .... who has
perfected printing gum on glass using silane as a sub. He and I
corresponded for a while several years ago on the subject but I've
changed computers since then and don't have any of that
correspondence now. But I'm sure the people who frequent the
Bostick
and Sullivan forum, if it still exists, will know who I'm talking
about, and for all I know, he may well still post there
himself, if
it does still exist. And maybe someone here knows who I'm talking
about. William something, I think... maybe. I'd recommend
looking
him up, and to do that, I'd recommend starting with the Bostick
and
Sullivan forum. Good luck.
Katharine
On Jun 15, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Loris Medici wrote:
Hi to all,
I'm (finally) back home after 6 months of military service.
As you can easily understand, I'm craving for taking photographs
and
making alt prints. My current priority is working with glass;
during
summer, I want to make cyanotypes and gum prints on glass.
Browsing the internet, I came across with compounds with the
generic name
"silane". What I understand is that silane compounds can be
used as
intermediate material, to help alt process emulsions (or gelatin
primers)
adhering to glass.
Is there anyone using silane for such purposes? What is your
procedure?
(My plan is to silanize the glass - which is a self-assembly
process as I
understand it - then coat it with hardened gelatine and then put
the alt
process emulsion on top of this sandwitch...)
What are your suggestions?
Thanks in advance,
Loris.
P.S. I'm very happy for being around again!
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